tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post8399032424914189168..comments2024-03-28T00:47:31.110-04:00Comments on Natural Born Learners : Why Don't Students Like School?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13181853187769838301noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-81110859171675671992010-11-18T19:17:31.625-05:002010-11-18T19:17:31.625-05:00@rfs - I don't have the book handy as I'm ...@rfs - I don't have the book handy as I'm on the road, so I can't look up specifics. But I will present one possibility: many of us have been told not to criticize an idea *unless you have an alternative solution.* I would submit that its entirely possible, being a cognitive scientist that stumbled into the education world, that he might not presume to demand the dismantling of the entire educational system when he doesn't have a better idea to replace it. What he can contribute is his specific, scientific knowledge about the goings on of students' brains, then let readers decide how to use that knowledge.<br /><br />Especially if, as the first commenter reminded us, his intended audience is actually practicing teachers. I know all of us here are in agreement that the system needs to change to be useful. But, if one puts oneself in the position of a teacher trying to get through a day job reaching students, then it's easy to see how this book can be a resource, from a very specific direction, to help improve the quality of their teaching.<br /><br />I may be nit picking here, but I really don't think it was the author's responsibility in this book to explain what's wrong with the system. Authors write what they know, for a particular audience. And, if you're going to start criticizing the system, then as an author you really have to have something of your own to say about it. You either need facts/stats to present or your own argument. And that requires that you have considered deeply the topic at hand. If this guy isn't an anti-school/organizational change kind of guy, then why would the broader topics be in his book?<br /><br />My husband is a published author in the software industry. Every now and then he'll receive a criticism not for something he did write, but for something he didn't write. His response is always the same: that's not what this book is about. So maybe I'm just a little sensitive, but maybe that's just not what this book is about, and that's OK. :) We can still learn from it.Sarah Rainsbergerhttp://www.rainsberger.ca/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-75417811678946427452010-11-06T09:06:06.224-04:002010-11-06T09:06:06.224-04:00@Sarah-thanks much for your perspective. I questio...@Sarah-thanks much for your perspective. I question though, the fact that he himself never questions the *institution* of schooling-given the fact that his research as a cognitive scientist indicates that 'one size does not fit all.'<br />If learning is a highly individual process than obviously schooling will never satisfy-and it follows that it is the schooling that must change-not the teachers trying to change students.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13181853187769838301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-5680308606227759922010-11-04T15:37:39.612-04:002010-11-04T15:37:39.612-04:00I loved this book, actually. Also excellent and a...I loved this book, actually. Also excellent and along the same lines is "The Art Of Changing The Brain."<br /><br />I think he does answer the question why students don't like school, just from a cognitive biological standpoint, not a sociological standpoint. Rather than criticizing him for not repeating the "school is prison" mantra, perhaps one would consider this neurobiological support for the "one size does not fit all" claim.<br /><br />One of the main take aways is that students don't like school because learning is a highly individual, biological process. His theory is that all learning is a physical change in the brain, and therefore must start from the current state of the brain. How can a teacher, let alone a school system, possibly accomodate that with any degree of effectiveness?<br /><br />He emphasizes that as a professor of introductory courses in university, he falsely assumed that his students were a "blank slate." What he realized is that students have all kinds of preconceived notions about gravity, magnetism etc. even if they've never taken a physics class before. And, since all of these ideas are physical pathways in the brain, the wrong ones have to be replaced before you can hope for the right ideas to replace them.<br /><br />To relate this to why kids don't like school, it's because professors/teachers spew information then can't figure out why students don't get it. It's because there's not usually the opportunity to figure out what they DO know (or believe, right or wrong) first and to address the physical traces of those beliefs before moving on.<br /><br />In fairness to the author, he's a cognitive scientist. It would make sense that he views the ills of the school system through the workings of the brain. This is more evidence against institutionalized learning, just not the kind you're used to hearing.Sarah Rainsbergerhttp://www.rainsberger.ca/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-27863594011921309812010-10-23T10:33:20.230-04:002010-10-23T10:33:20.230-04:00@Rebecca-thanks! The author completely skirts arou...@Rebecca-thanks! The author completely skirts around the issue-the real reason kids don't like school. As you say-it's a prison for most kids.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13181853187769838301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-11771162848501557172010-10-22T22:13:49.558-04:002010-10-22T22:13:49.558-04:00I've heard of this book before. Peter Gray men...I've heard of this book before. Peter Gray mentions it in his September 2, 2009 PT blog post (which won't open!!) titled ""Why Don't Students Like School?" Well, Duhhhh..."<br /><br />The only part I can access is the snippet"<br /><br />"Someone recently referred me to a book that they thought I'd like. It's a 2009 book, aimed toward teachers of grades K through 12, titled "Why Don't Students Like School?" It's by a cognitive scientist named Daniel T. Willingham, and it has received rave reviews by countless people involved in the school system. Google the title and author and you'll find pages and pages of doting reviews and nobody pointing out that the book totally and utterly fails to answer the question posed by its title. ... Everyone knows the real reason why students don't like school, but most people, including Willingham, avoid mentioning it. School is prison."<br /><br />I think he makes a good point.ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180832647715611790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14991800.post-60519023324420355852010-10-22T13:26:24.727-04:002010-10-22T13:26:24.727-04:00@rfs-teachers do their best and if this is a handb...@rfs-teachers do their best and if this is a handbook that can help them to help stimulate their students-what is wrong with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com